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		<title>By: Leigh Olivia</title>
		<link>http://tigerbeatdown.com/2009/10/30/sexist-beatdown-beers-of-freedom-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-3200</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Snobographer

&quot;It&#039;s all on their female party guests for not assuming every guy they ever hang out and drink with would like to rape them&quot;

...and what&#039;s great about that is that, when we *do* act like everybody is a potential threat, *that&#039;s* not okay either, and it makes us into &quot;frigid bitches&quot; or (le GASP oh noes!)  &quot;humorless feminists&quot;.  For a more fleshed-out, coherent explanation of this side of the coin, see Phaedra Starling&#039;s excellent Shapely Prose Guest Post &quot;Schroedinger&#039;s Rapist&quot; ( http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/ )  cause why say it when it&#039;s already been said?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Snobographer</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s all on their female party guests for not assuming every guy they ever hang out and drink with would like to rape them&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and what&#8217;s great about that is that, when we *do* act like everybody is a potential threat, *that&#8217;s* not okay either, and it makes us into &#8220;frigid bitches&#8221; or (le GASP oh noes!)  &#8220;humorless feminists&#8221;.  For a more fleshed-out, coherent explanation of this side of the coin, see Phaedra Starling&#8217;s excellent Shapely Prose Guest Post &#8220;Schroedinger&#8217;s Rapist&#8221; ( <a href="http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/" rel="nofollow">http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/</a> )  cause why say it when it&#8217;s already been said?</p>
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		<title>By: snobographer</title>
		<link>http://tigerbeatdown.com/2009/10/30/sexist-beatdown-beers-of-freedom-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator>snobographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gretchen-

There&#039;s also old familiar party tricks like rigging drinking games to make sure the target woman drinks more, or make her shots full-strength and your (hypothetical rapist) own watered down, or give her tequila while you drink beer. 
But of course the rapey dudes who&#039;ve been pulling this shit for generations are never called what they are. It&#039;s all on their female party guests for not assuming every guy they ever hang out and drink with would like to rape them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchen-</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also old familiar party tricks like rigging drinking games to make sure the target woman drinks more, or make her shots full-strength and your (hypothetical rapist) own watered down, or give her tequila while you drink beer.<br />
But of course the rapey dudes who&#8217;ve been pulling this shit for generations are never called what they are. It&#8217;s all on their female party guests for not assuming every guy they ever hang out and drink with would like to rape them.</p>
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		<title>By: snobographer</title>
		<link>http://tigerbeatdown.com/2009/10/30/sexist-beatdown-beers-of-freedom-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-3195</link>
		<dc:creator>snobographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott- How do you know the cab driver wouldn&#039;t have beaten the guy up or pulled a weapon, taken his wallet, and tossed him out of the cab? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;What’s interesting to me is that my friend, and the other man who also arrived at the police car, felt totally comfortable reporting what had happened and sure that their drinking wouldn’t count against them. UNlike many ladies who have been raped.

That is, indeed, very very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott- How do you know the cab driver wouldn&#8217;t have beaten the guy up or pulled a weapon, taken his wallet, and tossed him out of the cab? </p>
<blockquote><p>What’s interesting to me is that my friend, and the other man who also arrived at the police car, felt totally comfortable reporting what had happened and sure that their drinking wouldn’t count against them. UNlike many ladies who have been raped.</p>
<p>That is, indeed, very very interesting.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: caffeineadddict</title>
		<link>http://tigerbeatdown.com/2009/10/30/sexist-beatdown-beers-of-freedom-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-3160</link>
		<dc:creator>caffeineadddict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott: &quot;...Knowing this, why would you wander alone inebriated through these areas? When you can take relatively simple action to help ensure your own safety, aren’t you at some point committing what amounts to participatory negligence by not doing so?&quot;

No. It doesn&#039;t matter what time you are out at night, it doesn&#039;t matter where abouts you are, it doesn&#039;t what gender you are, it doesn&#039;t matter if you are drunk or drugged; nobody brings attacks on themselves. None of this &#039;contributory&#039; bullshit that you are hinting at. No. 

A person (whomever it is) has the right to occupy public space. Saying a particular type of attack is inevitable in a certain area, upon a certain person, is basically a really neat way of trying to keep certain people OUT of public space. It IS a mechanism of control, and it ISN&#039;T acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott: &#8220;&#8230;Knowing this, why would you wander alone inebriated through these areas? When you can take relatively simple action to help ensure your own safety, aren’t you at some point committing what amounts to participatory negligence by not doing so?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. It doesn&#8217;t matter what time you are out at night, it doesn&#8217;t matter where abouts you are, it doesn&#8217;t what gender you are, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you are drunk or drugged; nobody brings attacks on themselves. None of this &#8216;contributory&#8217; bullshit that you are hinting at. No. </p>
<p>A person (whomever it is) has the right to occupy public space. Saying a particular type of attack is inevitable in a certain area, upon a certain person, is basically a really neat way of trying to keep certain people OUT of public space. It IS a mechanism of control, and it ISN&#8217;T acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;ve heard, from bartenders and friends, is about men spiking women&#039;s drinks with MORE ALCOHOL. Such as pouring another shot of vodka into a fruity vodka based cocktail or mixer, so that women get drunk quicker than they expect, and are unable to make sensible judgements about how many drinks is enough. 

And of course, if a woman is raped and reports it and is drug tested, nothing will show up but a high level of alcohol, which will be treated as something she did to herself, not as something that was done to her with a premediated agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve heard, from bartenders and friends, is about men spiking women&#8217;s drinks with MORE ALCOHOL. Such as pouring another shot of vodka into a fruity vodka based cocktail or mixer, so that women get drunk quicker than they expect, and are unable to make sensible judgements about how many drinks is enough. </p>
<p>And of course, if a woman is raped and reports it and is drug tested, nothing will show up but a high level of alcohol, which will be treated as something she did to herself, not as something that was done to her with a premediated agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercer Finn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercer Finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Daily Mail is like the blackest comedy in the world. It&#039;s so vile and unbelievable it almost becomes funny.

In the UK there was a massive furore a couple of weeks ago about this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death--.html

Just incredible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Daily Mail is like the blackest comedy in the world. It&#8217;s so vile and unbelievable it almost becomes funny.</p>
<p>In the UK there was a massive furore a couple of weeks ago about this article:<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death--.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death&#8211;.html</a></p>
<p>Just incredible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sady</title>
		<link>http://tigerbeatdown.com/2009/10/30/sexist-beatdown-beers-of-freedom-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-3122</link>
		<dc:creator>Sady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t you assuming you know more than you do? The story, as I know it, is that my friend was at a party, had been drinking, went out to get more drinks for the party, and was unexpectedly punched in the face by a stranger standing outside of a bodega. He saw a police car on the way back to the party, and told them what happened. As he was speaking to them, a man who had been beaten up a bit worse came up to the car and reported the same thing happening, outside the same bodega. 

In other words, my friend was doing what a lot of people do on a weekend - walking through the city in which he lives, socializing, drinking - and was a victim of a random act of violence, by people who were out to do some violence. Much like many ladies who are raped, actually! And while it makes sense to take measures to protect yourself, most of us don&#039;t go around expecting there to be strangers who want to punch us in the face on every corner. What&#039;s interesting to me is that my friend, and the other man who also arrived at the police car, felt totally comfortable reporting what had happened and sure that their drinking wouldn&#039;t count against them. UNlike many ladies who have been raped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t you assuming you know more than you do? The story, as I know it, is that my friend was at a party, had been drinking, went out to get more drinks for the party, and was unexpectedly punched in the face by a stranger standing outside of a bodega. He saw a police car on the way back to the party, and told them what happened. As he was speaking to them, a man who had been beaten up a bit worse came up to the car and reported the same thing happening, outside the same bodega. </p>
<p>In other words, my friend was doing what a lot of people do on a weekend &#8211; walking through the city in which he lives, socializing, drinking &#8211; and was a victim of a random act of violence, by people who were out to do some violence. Much like many ladies who are raped, actually! And while it makes sense to take measures to protect yourself, most of us don&#8217;t go around expecting there to be strangers who want to punch us in the face on every corner. What&#8217;s interesting to me is that my friend, and the other man who also arrived at the police car, felt totally comfortable reporting what had happened and sure that their drinking wouldn&#8217;t count against them. UNlike many ladies who have been raped.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I thought about this some more and &quot;negligence&quot; seems like a bad word, as it certainly would fit in a legal definition.

I feel sorry for the drunken guys in Wrigleyville who stumble home alone and end up getting mugged, but I also wonder why they didn&#039;t just wait for a cab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I thought about this some more and &#8220;negligence&#8221; seems like a bad word, as it certainly would fit in a legal definition.</p>
<p>I feel sorry for the drunken guys in Wrigleyville who stumble home alone and end up getting mugged, but I also wonder why they didn&#8217;t just wait for a cab.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;i mean, a gentleman of my personal acquaintance had too many drinks and was wandering around and got – apparently – randomly beaten up by some dudes in his neighborhood, and as far as i know the police did not tsk-tsk him for wandering around all drunk and beatable.&lt;/i&gt;

Allow me, then. Tsk Tsk.

I live in Chicago. The crime rate here spikes in neighborhoods around the popular bar areas between 2 and 4 in the morning. Knowing this, why would you wander alone inebriated through these areas?

When you can take relatively simple action to help ensure your own safety, aren&#039;t you at some point committing what amounts to participatory negligence by not doing so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i mean, a gentleman of my personal acquaintance had too many drinks and was wandering around and got – apparently – randomly beaten up by some dudes in his neighborhood, and as far as i know the police did not tsk-tsk him for wandering around all drunk and beatable.</i></p>
<p>Allow me, then. Tsk Tsk.</p>
<p>I live in Chicago. The crime rate here spikes in neighborhoods around the popular bar areas between 2 and 4 in the morning. Knowing this, why would you wander alone inebriated through these areas?</p>
<p>When you can take relatively simple action to help ensure your own safety, aren&#8217;t you at some point committing what amounts to participatory negligence by not doing so?</p>
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