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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may be my new favorite blog. You made me literally laugh out loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may be my new favorite blog. You made me literally laugh out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: innocentsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>innocentsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jolene&quot; is of a slightly different era, though, isn&#039;t it?  I&#039;ve always thought that part of the reason for the narrator&#039;s possessiveness of her husband is that she&#039;s living in a time when having your man run off with another woman really would screw with your financial stability and position in society as well as your fragile heart.

Of course, the other thing I always thought about the song is that it IS, as you said, very ladyrotic, so maybe part of the problem is that the narrator understands ONLY TOO WELL how Jolene could take that man, what with her auburn hair and white skin and green eyes and everything.  People were talking about &quot;Jesse&#039;s Girl&quot; above, and ... well, it&#039;s sort of the same thing, no?  The narrator there seems to be spending *cough* an awful lot of time picturing Jesse and his girl getting it on, and notice that Jesse is the one who gets a name, here.  But really, whenever I listen to &quot;Jolene&quot; I picture the narrator sharing a glass of sweet tea with an increasingly discomfited Jolene, while talking so, so very earnestly about how gorgeous she, Jolene, is - oh, it&#039;s just too much for the narrator to bear!

...Maybe I&#039;ve just spent too long in fandom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jolene&#8221; is of a slightly different era, though, isn&#8217;t it?  I&#8217;ve always thought that part of the reason for the narrator&#8217;s possessiveness of her husband is that she&#8217;s living in a time when having your man run off with another woman really would screw with your financial stability and position in society as well as your fragile heart.</p>
<p>Of course, the other thing I always thought about the song is that it IS, as you said, very ladyrotic, so maybe part of the problem is that the narrator understands ONLY TOO WELL how Jolene could take that man, what with her auburn hair and white skin and green eyes and everything.  People were talking about &#8220;Jesse&#8217;s Girl&#8221; above, and &#8230; well, it&#8217;s sort of the same thing, no?  The narrator there seems to be spending *cough* an awful lot of time picturing Jesse and his girl getting it on, and notice that Jesse is the one who gets a name, here.  But really, whenever I listen to &#8220;Jolene&#8221; I picture the narrator sharing a glass of sweet tea with an increasingly discomfited Jolene, while talking so, so very earnestly about how gorgeous she, Jolene, is &#8211; oh, it&#8217;s just too much for the narrator to bear!</p>
<p>&#8230;Maybe I&#8217;ve just spent too long in fandom.</p>
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		<title>By: snobographer</title>
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		<dc:creator>snobographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Canomia came up with a good one too. &quot;The Girl Is Mine&quot; is totally a &quot;your-girlfriend-will-soon-be-my-girlfriend&quot; song, except it doesn&#039;t sound liike she&#039;s anybody&#039;s girlfriend, just a free agent whose attentions both Jackson and McCartney are competing for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Canomia came up with a good one too. &#8220;The Girl Is Mine&#8221; is totally a &#8220;your-girlfriend-will-soon-be-my-girlfriend&#8221; song, except it doesn&#8217;t sound liike she&#8217;s anybody&#8217;s girlfriend, just a free agent whose attentions both Jackson and McCartney are competing for.</p>
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		<title>By: snobographer</title>
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		<dc:creator>snobographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rikibeth - &quot;Is She Really Going Out With Him&quot; is a good example that hadn&#039;t occurred to me. It&#039;s probably a better example actually since &quot;Jessie&#039;s Girl&quot; not really bitter toward Jessie - or his girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rikibeth &#8211; &#8220;Is She Really Going Out With Him&#8221; is a good example that hadn&#8217;t occurred to me. It&#8217;s probably a better example actually since &#8220;Jessie&#8217;s Girl&#8221; not really bitter toward Jessie &#8211; or his girl.</p>
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		<title>By: RLC</title>
		<link>http://tigerbeatdown.com/2009/11/06/sexist-beatdown-girl-vs-girl-vs-pop-song-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-3283</link>
		<dc:creator>RLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else notice the ever-so-subtle use of color symbolism in bitch-slut-Taylor&#039;s and innocent-glasses-Taylor&#039;s dresses in that end scene? So clever! So nuanced! The skank is in red, the virginal angel is in white. GEDDIT? WOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else notice the ever-so-subtle use of color symbolism in bitch-slut-Taylor&#8217;s and innocent-glasses-Taylor&#8217;s dresses in that end scene? So clever! So nuanced! The skank is in red, the virginal angel is in white. GEDDIT? WOW!</p>
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		<title>By: Farore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I have also dealt with a lady who was into the power play I-can-take-your-man thing, and the funny thing was that she was also spectacularly unsuccessful about it, and at having any sort of committed relationship at all because she treated them like conquests and then was sad when they didn&#039;t magically want to love her forever after she treated them like Mount Everest instead of a human being, and it was irritating, yes, but moreso it was really really depressing, and this is a really bad run-on sentence but what I am trying to say is that I think the &#039;I&#039;m gonna take your man&#039; trope is really unhealthy for the person enacting it and will pretty much never lead to fulfillment or contentment of any kind.  Because if you think men are objects to be taken, you cannot calm down and trust a man because you view him as... an object that can be taken.  Instead of a person that makes their own choices and can choose to be with you.

I mostly only see that sort of behavior from ladies (and men, actually) who think that they are not what anyone would ever choose to have, and so perhaps it is some sort of compensation or cover for that?  To dehumanize the object of your affection and think you can take them and THEN they will want you, because you took them and you own them, not because you are worth wanting?  It&#039;s a really stalkertastic line of thinking, and really sad, but being sad doesn&#039;t make it any less A Bad Thing That You Should Not Do.

And, yeah, The Boy Is Mine is a genderflipped version of The Girl Is Mine, which is a pretty song but is intensely creepy since it is basically two dudes arguing that a girl belongs to one or the other of them because of what she says to them or how she treats them, when it is obvious from how they are talking about her that she very much likes both of them and has no intent to &#039;belong&#039; to anyone, but maybe that is kind of the point?  And if it is, is that feminist, or just polyamorist, or ... ?  Sadly it seems rather unlikely that that is the intent of the songwriter; the distinct lack of the woman&#039;s actual voice in the song and instead all of her actions and supposed feelings being presented as points and counterpoints in an argument between two dudes seems to be pretty obviously about ladies as property, not ladies as free-thinking, wide-swinging radical man-lovers who love more than one man.

RAMBLE RAMBLE RAMBLE eh wot *monocle*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I have also dealt with a lady who was into the power play I-can-take-your-man thing, and the funny thing was that she was also spectacularly unsuccessful about it, and at having any sort of committed relationship at all because she treated them like conquests and then was sad when they didn&#8217;t magically want to love her forever after she treated them like Mount Everest instead of a human being, and it was irritating, yes, but moreso it was really really depressing, and this is a really bad run-on sentence but what I am trying to say is that I think the &#8216;I&#8217;m gonna take your man&#8217; trope is really unhealthy for the person enacting it and will pretty much never lead to fulfillment or contentment of any kind.  Because if you think men are objects to be taken, you cannot calm down and trust a man because you view him as&#8230; an object that can be taken.  Instead of a person that makes their own choices and can choose to be with you.</p>
<p>I mostly only see that sort of behavior from ladies (and men, actually) who think that they are not what anyone would ever choose to have, and so perhaps it is some sort of compensation or cover for that?  To dehumanize the object of your affection and think you can take them and THEN they will want you, because you took them and you own them, not because you are worth wanting?  It&#8217;s a really stalkertastic line of thinking, and really sad, but being sad doesn&#8217;t make it any less A Bad Thing That You Should Not Do.</p>
<p>And, yeah, The Boy Is Mine is a genderflipped version of The Girl Is Mine, which is a pretty song but is intensely creepy since it is basically two dudes arguing that a girl belongs to one or the other of them because of what she says to them or how she treats them, when it is obvious from how they are talking about her that she very much likes both of them and has no intent to &#8216;belong&#8217; to anyone, but maybe that is kind of the point?  And if it is, is that feminist, or just polyamorist, or &#8230; ?  Sadly it seems rather unlikely that that is the intent of the songwriter; the distinct lack of the woman&#8217;s actual voice in the song and instead all of her actions and supposed feelings being presented as points and counterpoints in an argument between two dudes seems to be pretty obviously about ladies as property, not ladies as free-thinking, wide-swinging radical man-lovers who love more than one man.</p>
<p>RAMBLE RAMBLE RAMBLE eh wot *monocle*</p>
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		<title>By: attack_laurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>attack_laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always see it as the power play - the man is unimportant, it&#039;s all about showing some other woman that you are so powerful, you can take their man any time you want (I know a girl like this.  The fact that she is spectacularly unsuccessful at it does not make her any less irritating).

It&#039;s a battle to the death between ladypersons; the man is simply the trophy to be won, then shoved in the back of the closet as soon as another competition hoves into view.  The fact that I only know one woman who actually does this seems to indicate that this is not a standard tactic of women, but I think the men would like it to be (except for the shoving into the back of the closet thing).

BTW, I always amuse myself by pretending Springfield is singing &quot;I wish I WAS Jessie&#039;s girl&quot;.  It makes the song much more nuanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always see it as the power play &#8211; the man is unimportant, it&#8217;s all about showing some other woman that you are so powerful, you can take their man any time you want (I know a girl like this.  The fact that she is spectacularly unsuccessful at it does not make her any less irritating).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a battle to the death between ladypersons; the man is simply the trophy to be won, then shoved in the back of the closet as soon as another competition hoves into view.  The fact that I only know one woman who actually does this seems to indicate that this is not a standard tactic of women, but I think the men would like it to be (except for the shoving into the back of the closet thing).</p>
<p>BTW, I always amuse myself by pretending Springfield is singing &#8220;I wish I WAS Jessie&#8217;s girl&#8221;.  It makes the song much more nuanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Odette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Canomia - yeah, and I think it&#039;s also the suggestion that if Dude does decide to cheat, he is somehow not accountable. Jolene is. Because she&#039;s sexy. And a woman. And the thing about female sexuality is that it is actually an Evil Man-Ensnaring Device designed to LURE MEN AWAY from their partners. And if you are, like Jolene, particularly sexy, then you can&#039;t blame a man for getting distracted + temporarily forgetting what &#039;faithful&#039; means.

But you can blame the woman. For being sexy.

It&#039;s interesting that Jolene doesn&#039;t seem to be doing much to &#039;take&#039; the man in question, other than having pretty eyes, skin and hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Canomia &#8211; yeah, and I think it&#8217;s also the suggestion that if Dude does decide to cheat, he is somehow not accountable. Jolene is. Because she&#8217;s sexy. And a woman. And the thing about female sexuality is that it is actually an Evil Man-Ensnaring Device designed to LURE MEN AWAY from their partners. And if you are, like Jolene, particularly sexy, then you can&#8217;t blame a man for getting distracted + temporarily forgetting what &#8216;faithful&#8217; means.</p>
<p>But you can blame the woman. For being sexy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Jolene doesn&#8217;t seem to be doing much to &#8216;take&#8217; the man in question, other than having pretty eyes, skin and hair.</p>
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		<title>By: Canomia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canomia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and also, I was ready to fight about Jolene to. A song I like and really wouldn&#039;t put in the &quot;Ladies Hating Ladies Song&quot;-category since there isn&#039;t any hating going on at all. She just asking Jolene nicely, from one woman to another, not to take &quot;her man&quot;. Letting Jolene know the circumstances so that if she was thinking of doing it just because she could she might reconsider, as a personal favor to the narrator.

But then you didn&#039;t even mention lady hating and it was about ownership and I agree completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and also, I was ready to fight about Jolene to. A song I like and really wouldn&#8217;t put in the &#8220;Ladies Hating Ladies Song&#8221;-category since there isn&#8217;t any hating going on at all. She just asking Jolene nicely, from one woman to another, not to take &#8220;her man&#8221;. Letting Jolene know the circumstances so that if she was thinking of doing it just because she could she might reconsider, as a personal favor to the narrator.</p>
<p>But then you didn&#8217;t even mention lady hating and it was about ownership and I agree completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Canomia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canomia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The boy is mine isn&#039;t that just a female version of Michael Jackson and Paul McCartneys The girl is mine?</description>
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