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	<title>Comments on: Everything Old Is Worse Again: Of Vs and Backlashes</title>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by thedrymock: Fabulous post on the new V: Everything Old Is Worse Again: Of Vs and Backlashes http://tinyurl.com/yf9oojx...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by thedrymock: Fabulous post on the new V: Everything Old Is Worse Again: Of Vs and Backlashes <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yf9oojx.." rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yf9oojx..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mental Landscape Sunday &#171; The Hero Complex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mental Landscape Sunday &#171; The Hero Complex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Tumblr and feeling the urge to live a gleefully twee life. + The reimagined V series. + Tiger Beatdown&#8217;s take on the reimagined V. + Staunchly resisting the urge to curl up in a patch of sunlight, like all three of my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Tumblr and feeling the urge to live a gleefully twee life. + The reimagined V series. + Tiger Beatdown&#8217;s take on the reimagined V. + Staunchly resisting the urge to curl up in a patch of sunlight, like all three of my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would you be offended if i told you that i find gender-related analysis of scifi ridiculously hot? even for shows i have never watched? i don&#039;t know what it is but i could read about gender in scifi ALL DAY.

and speaking of gender and scifi, on a totally unrelated note but out of curiosity, have you ever read the writings of james tiptree jr. (real name: alice sheldon)? (i ask mostly because i will take any excuse to recommend james tiptree jr. to people, because - scifi! with feminism! AND really good writing! HOW COULD YOU SAY NO?) (though, full disclosure, her stories are also depressing as fuck, she kind of leaned towards &quot;fuck, sexism is never going to end&quot; feminism). (man i love parentheses).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would you be offended if i told you that i find gender-related analysis of scifi ridiculously hot? even for shows i have never watched? i don&#8217;t know what it is but i could read about gender in scifi ALL DAY.</p>
<p>and speaking of gender and scifi, on a totally unrelated note but out of curiosity, have you ever read the writings of james tiptree jr. (real name: alice sheldon)? (i ask mostly because i will take any excuse to recommend james tiptree jr. to people, because &#8211; scifi! with feminism! AND really good writing! HOW COULD YOU SAY NO?) (though, full disclosure, her stories are also depressing as fuck, she kind of leaned towards &#8220;fuck, sexism is never going to end&#8221; feminism). (man i love parentheses).</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a big fan of sci fi that has to do with alien invasion, so I was pretty excited about this show initially. I have to say that it kinda lost me after the first couple episodes - not only are the politics questionable, but it got boring- like, whatever, that alien dude and his human fiance, whatever, obnoxious teen boy trying to impress alien girl. It&#039;s just too heavy-handed! It ain&#039;t no BSG, that&#039;s for damn sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a big fan of sci fi that has to do with alien invasion, so I was pretty excited about this show initially. I have to say that it kinda lost me after the first couple episodes &#8211; not only are the politics questionable, but it got boring- like, whatever, that alien dude and his human fiance, whatever, obnoxious teen boy trying to impress alien girl. It&#8217;s just too heavy-handed! It ain&#8217;t no BSG, that&#8217;s for damn sure.</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that takes care of any lingering desire I might have had to watch this.  Even notwithstanding Elizabeth Mitchell.

Three things from the old series that I wonder if they&#039;ll repeat...

First, regarding Juliet and the mind-raping; she was also the only person in the course of the series to beat the brainwashing to any degree, and she did it pretty much because she was tough.  No one &quot;saved her true self,&quot; as it were.  Assuming the brainwashing thing is still in this version, one of the good guys will get it, that&#039;s a given:  if it&#039;s a woman, will she beat it by her own toughness or be saved?  (Or will it be used as a way to break down Erica).

Second, while they couldn&#039;t abort Elizabeth in the original (and seeing as she mystically saved the day at the end, aborting her was made the wrong choice), the &quot;Robin&#039;s body, Robin&#039;s decision&quot; was clearly stated by main hero Mike.  What are the odds that&#039;s going to happen again if a human female is impregnated?

Third, Maggie seducing Daniel for information:  with 1, her remaining completely a goodie; and 2, her boyfriend getting angry about it and being told by several people that he should remember how much worse it was for her, and not keep making her prove that she isn&#039;t cheating on him.

Though with what&#039;s said above about Tyler and Lisa, if Lisa is also going to be the one to get pregnant, then maybe she&#039;s also the one who will seduce for information.  And that way, the series can put a &quot;bad woman&quot; in both roles.  Allowing it to avoid repeating either of the latter two aspects of the original - and either way of acknowledging that women have feelings that matter - without having to admit that they&#039;re doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that takes care of any lingering desire I might have had to watch this.  Even notwithstanding Elizabeth Mitchell.</p>
<p>Three things from the old series that I wonder if they&#8217;ll repeat&#8230;</p>
<p>First, regarding Juliet and the mind-raping; she was also the only person in the course of the series to beat the brainwashing to any degree, and she did it pretty much because she was tough.  No one &#8220;saved her true self,&#8221; as it were.  Assuming the brainwashing thing is still in this version, one of the good guys will get it, that&#8217;s a given:  if it&#8217;s a woman, will she beat it by her own toughness or be saved?  (Or will it be used as a way to break down Erica).</p>
<p>Second, while they couldn&#8217;t abort Elizabeth in the original (and seeing as she mystically saved the day at the end, aborting her was made the wrong choice), the &#8220;Robin&#8217;s body, Robin&#8217;s decision&#8221; was clearly stated by main hero Mike.  What are the odds that&#8217;s going to happen again if a human female is impregnated?</p>
<p>Third, Maggie seducing Daniel for information:  with 1, her remaining completely a goodie; and 2, her boyfriend getting angry about it and being told by several people that he should remember how much worse it was for her, and not keep making her prove that she isn&#8217;t cheating on him.</p>
<p>Though with what&#8217;s said above about Tyler and Lisa, if Lisa is also going to be the one to get pregnant, then maybe she&#8217;s also the one who will seduce for information.  And that way, the series can put a &#8220;bad woman&#8221; in both roles.  Allowing it to avoid repeating either of the latter two aspects of the original &#8211; and either way of acknowledging that women have feelings that matter &#8211; without having to admit that they&#8217;re doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha b.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also a show I would watch: C.L. Minou-Sady Doyle as indomitable blog superfriends! Thanks for the excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also a show I would watch: C.L. Minou-Sady Doyle as indomitable blog superfriends! Thanks for the excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: ChelseaWantsOut</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChelseaWantsOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m still watching, too.  Juliet is such a fucking badass!

About the impregnation thing, isn&#039;t Ryan&#039;s fiancee pregnant?  Did he impregnate her or did they do it to her at the &quot;healing center?&quot;

When I realized Anna was Inara, I was like, &quot;Whoa!&quot;  And speaking of Anna, in episode 4 she does the &quot;bliss&quot; thing and she walks up to this platform wearing a long white diaphanous, um, sheet?  Which she then casts off before falling to her knees and giving every V in the universe the longest orgasm ever.  So that was interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m still watching, too.  Juliet is such a fucking badass!</p>
<p>About the impregnation thing, isn&#8217;t Ryan&#8217;s fiancee pregnant?  Did he impregnate her or did they do it to her at the &#8220;healing center?&#8221;</p>
<p>When I realized Anna was Inara, I was like, &#8220;Whoa!&#8221;  And speaking of Anna, in episode 4 she does the &#8220;bliss&#8221; thing and she walks up to this platform wearing a long white diaphanous, um, sheet?  Which she then casts off before falling to her knees and giving every V in the universe the longest orgasm ever.  So that was interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fascinating take. I have heard speculation though, that it&#039;s the teenage boy who will be impregnated, not the alien girl. We&#039;ll see of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fascinating take. I have heard speculation though, that it&#8217;s the teenage boy who will be impregnated, not the alien girl. We&#8217;ll see of course!</p>
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		<title>By: C.L. Minou</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.L. Minou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nymeria: I know! I had watched the first two episodes without making that kind of connection, but after I read the WaPo article on it...well...it&#039;s getting pretty obvious! Like how on last night&#039;s episode, we find out that the sleeper agent played by Morris Chestunt was born in Hawaiian Gardens (a black alien from Hawaii...well, California, but that&#039;s almost as bad.) And the aliens are poisoning our &lt;i&gt;flu vaccine&lt;/i&gt;! Glen Beck was right!

@Mr_Subjunctive: I assure you, nobody was more surprised about that gender than me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nymeria: I know! I had watched the first two episodes without making that kind of connection, but after I read the WaPo article on it&#8230;well&#8230;it&#8217;s getting pretty obvious! Like how on last night&#8217;s episode, we find out that the sleeper agent played by Morris Chestunt was born in Hawaiian Gardens (a black alien from Hawaii&#8230;well, California, but that&#8217;s almost as bad.) And the aliens are poisoning our <i>flu vaccine</i>! Glen Beck was right!</p>
<p>@Mr_Subjunctive: I assure you, nobody was more surprised about that gender than me!</p>
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		<title>By: Nymeria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nymeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching the first episode of V was..interesting. Especially the part where the evil music flared up when she mentioned universal health care. As if that was the breaking point where everyone would go &quot;Well, now we KNOW she&#039;s evil!!&quot; 

I admit I&#039;m still watching it.  It&#039;s just..Juliet! She does things!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching the first episode of V was..interesting. Especially the part where the evil music flared up when she mentioned universal health care. As if that was the breaking point where everyone would go &#8220;Well, now we KNOW she&#8217;s evil!!&#8221; </p>
<p>I admit I&#8217;m still watching it.  It&#8217;s just..Juliet! She does things!</p>
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