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		<title>By: Thirteenth Carnival of Feminists and other links &#171; Raising My Boychick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thirteenth Carnival of Feminists and other links &#171; Raising My Boychick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Minou writes The Secret Lives of Married Men &#8212; Now With Bingo Cards (As background: in anti-oppression circles, there are oppressive/offensive statements said to/about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Thirteenth Carnival of Feminists &#171; Zero at the Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Thirteenth Carnival of Feminists &#171; Zero at the Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Minou writes The Secret Lives of Married Men &#8211; Now With Bingo Cards at Tiger Beatdown in response to, well, &#8216;an astonishing tour de force of just about every [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Interesting posts, weekend of 1/30/10 &#171; Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting posts, weekend of 1/30/10 &#171; Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Secret Lives of Married Men — Now With Bingo Cards &#8211; C.L. Minou does a takedown on an article fraught with stereotypes about men &amp; marriage. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: C.L. Minou</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.L. Minou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MOUSE: Oh, I agree with you, and I was worried that the end of the post might come of as to--not appease-y (that&#039;s not even a word) but too...easy? Something like that.

That is to say, and kinda what I was trying to get at, while yeah, patriarchy hurts guys, and yeah, gender-essentialist and defining horsehockey like this article aren&#039;t good for men or women--at the same time, as a guy you can feel all that, and not do anything about it, because, well, you have it pretty damn good.

Or more bluntly: it&#039;s easy enough to ignore all the bad stuff that comes with male privilege (like, how it is constructed as a privilege to begin with) because it is so, well, privileged: you don&#039;t have to care about the degradation of women or how half the human species tends to occupy a social rung between pack animal and useful servant in the vast majority of places around the globe. You don&#039;t have to if you don&#039;t want to. And if you do care, or at least express some interest in caring, there&#039;s no upside to it: in all too many cases, to be a guy interested in gender inequality does little more than to cause other men to threaten your privilege. And privilege is hard to give up, even if the only way we will save this sorry planet is to voluntarily start to renounce privilege, and soon.

This isn&#039;t limited to just male privilege--pretty much everything in the previous graf could be applied to white, or first world privilege; but while I may not be totally convinced of the radical saw about the transhistoricity and absolute uniqueness of male privilege, there&#039;s no doubt that it is ubiquitous in a way that almost no other privilege structure is--since all of the other ones tend to be about privileging a &lt;i&gt;minority&lt;/i&gt; of people, and the smaller (more exclusive) the better. 

All of which is to say, I feel your venting, share in it, and minor amelioration to the contary, I really can&#039;t get too worked up about the hardness of being a guy. And frankly, you&#039;re getting this from the horse&#039;s mouth, know what I mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MOUSE: Oh, I agree with you, and I was worried that the end of the post might come of as to&#8211;not appease-y (that&#8217;s not even a word) but too&#8230;easy? Something like that.</p>
<p>That is to say, and kinda what I was trying to get at, while yeah, patriarchy hurts guys, and yeah, gender-essentialist and defining horsehockey like this article aren&#8217;t good for men or women&#8211;at the same time, as a guy you can feel all that, and not do anything about it, because, well, you have it pretty damn good.</p>
<p>Or more bluntly: it&#8217;s easy enough to ignore all the bad stuff that comes with male privilege (like, how it is constructed as a privilege to begin with) because it is so, well, privileged: you don&#8217;t have to care about the degradation of women or how half the human species tends to occupy a social rung between pack animal and useful servant in the vast majority of places around the globe. You don&#8217;t have to if you don&#8217;t want to. And if you do care, or at least express some interest in caring, there&#8217;s no upside to it: in all too many cases, to be a guy interested in gender inequality does little more than to cause other men to threaten your privilege. And privilege is hard to give up, even if the only way we will save this sorry planet is to voluntarily start to renounce privilege, and soon.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t limited to just male privilege&#8211;pretty much everything in the previous graf could be applied to white, or first world privilege; but while I may not be totally convinced of the radical saw about the transhistoricity and absolute uniqueness of male privilege, there&#8217;s no doubt that it is ubiquitous in a way that almost no other privilege structure is&#8211;since all of the other ones tend to be about privileging a <i>minority</i> of people, and the smaller (more exclusive) the better. </p>
<p>All of which is to say, I feel your venting, share in it, and minor amelioration to the contary, I really can&#8217;t get too worked up about the hardness of being a guy. And frankly, you&#8217;re getting this from the horse&#8217;s mouth, know what I mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Luey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ok, everyone.  I&#039;m sure this guy&#039;s wife LOVES being the disciplinarian parent who does all the tedious parenting stuff and who (whom?) the kids do not see at her best. 

I mean, did he even READ that paragraph? Of course no one LIKES doing that part of parenthood - at least not as much as, you know, the actual fun part of things. What a selfish douche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ok, everyone.  I&#8217;m sure this guy&#8217;s wife LOVES being the disciplinarian parent who does all the tedious parenting stuff and who (whom?) the kids do not see at her best. </p>
<p>I mean, did he even READ that paragraph? Of course no one LIKES doing that part of parenthood &#8211; at least not as much as, you know, the actual fun part of things. What a selfish douche.</p>
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		<title>By: mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take your point, C.L. and I agree (and am saddened) by the ways patriarchy hurts men, too. But if I can just vent for a moment-- sometimes it&#039;s really, deeply, truly hard to muster sympathy. It seems like a good chunk of the time the men that profit least by patriarchy are some of the loudest defenders for the very reason that as confining and deadening as their roles might be at least they aren&#039;t [i]women[/i].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take your point, C.L. and I agree (and am saddened) by the ways patriarchy hurts men, too. But if I can just vent for a moment&#8211; sometimes it&#8217;s really, deeply, truly hard to muster sympathy. It seems like a good chunk of the time the men that profit least by patriarchy are some of the loudest defenders for the very reason that as confining and deadening as their roles might be at least they aren&#8217;t [i]women[/i].</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Raddad (RadDad?) - you do know the phrase &quot;zipless fuck&quot; was coined by a woman, yeah? In a novel about a woman who longs for the simplicity of a stranger while struggling with her marriage, no less. Not to take away from your points (which seem intriguing and maybe true to me, at least for some men - I don&#039;t know, I&#039;m not a dude), but it did strike me as amusing that to describe the cultural male fantasy about women you chose a term with an extremely female origin.

Anyway. This was a fab takedown, &amp; I feel like there&#039;s also something in here about the way women are sold marriage/relationships as The One True Path to happiness, and there&#039;s this cultural narrative about Your Husband being all you need, or whatever, and so maybe some dudes do think lots of ladies besides the person they&#039;re with are hot, and maybe some of those ladies do freak out about this, and maybe this would be less of a problem if we could all just admit that being in love with one person doesn&#039;t mean other people stop being attractive to you, and more importantly the fact that other people are attractive to you doesn&#039;t mean you are not in love with this person. (not to mention what everyone else has said re: polyamory/open relationships, the fact that some ladies might also feel this way and not all dudes do, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Raddad (RadDad?) &#8211; you do know the phrase &#8220;zipless fuck&#8221; was coined by a woman, yeah? In a novel about a woman who longs for the simplicity of a stranger while struggling with her marriage, no less. Not to take away from your points (which seem intriguing and maybe true to me, at least for some men &#8211; I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m not a dude), but it did strike me as amusing that to describe the cultural male fantasy about women you chose a term with an extremely female origin.</p>
<p>Anyway. This was a fab takedown, &amp; I feel like there&#8217;s also something in here about the way women are sold marriage/relationships as The One True Path to happiness, and there&#8217;s this cultural narrative about Your Husband being all you need, or whatever, and so maybe some dudes do think lots of ladies besides the person they&#8217;re with are hot, and maybe some of those ladies do freak out about this, and maybe this would be less of a problem if we could all just admit that being in love with one person doesn&#8217;t mean other people stop being attractive to you, and more importantly the fact that other people are attractive to you doesn&#8217;t mean you are not in love with this person. (not to mention what everyone else has said re: polyamory/open relationships, the fact that some ladies might also feel this way and not all dudes do, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Leastlikely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Leastlikely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good article, good comments as always. i LOVE this blog.

i too think it&#039;s interesting and valuable to try to expose the fact that men are also losing out in traditional gender roles. good work.

and the polyamory stuff y&#039;all are talking about is also SO true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good article, good comments as always. i LOVE this blog.</p>
<p>i too think it&#8217;s interesting and valuable to try to expose the fact that men are also losing out in traditional gender roles. good work.</p>
<p>and the polyamory stuff y&#8217;all are talking about is also SO true.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Tiger Beatdown › The Secret Lives of Married Men — Now With Bingo Cards -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: XtinaS</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtinaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I&#039;ve never seen that book.&#160; Marvelous!

I just wanted to design a virus to replace all instances of Delingpole with this link:

http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html

And then see how long it takes for Shit to Go Down&#8482;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I&#8217;ve never seen that book.&#160; Marvelous!</p>
<p>I just wanted to design a virus to replace all instances of Delingpole with this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html</a></p>
<p>And then see how long it takes for Shit to Go Down&trade;.</p>
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