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	<title>Comments on: AMANDA PALMER WANTS TO SHOCK YOU. Just Don&#8217;t Get Upset About It, &#8216;Kay?</title>
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		<title>By: My thoughts on Sabrina Chap&#8217;s &#8220;Oompa!&#8221; &#171; Feminist Music Geek</title>
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		<dc:creator>My thoughts on Sabrina Chap&#8217;s &#8220;Oompa!&#8221; &#171; Feminist Music Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of &#8220;Never Been a Bad Girl&#8221; suggested Dresden Dolls (though not Evelyn Evelyn&#8217;s super-problematic crip drag) on first listen, as well as Inara George and Jolie Holland in louder moments. The emphasis on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of &#8220;Never Been a Bad Girl&#8221; suggested Dresden Dolls (though not Evelyn Evelyn&#8217;s super-problematic crip drag) on first listen, as well as Inara George and Jolie Holland in louder moments. The emphasis on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: naanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>naanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quip about Amanda Palmer being the kind of person who would shit on your couch just to be edgy is my favorite description of Amanda Palmer and how she presents herself to the public. Seriously, I laughed, I cried, I wished I had written it myself. You completely nailed it. I adore this critique of the whole situation; you said it better than I could have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quip about Amanda Palmer being the kind of person who would shit on your couch just to be edgy is my favorite description of Amanda Palmer and how she presents herself to the public. Seriously, I laughed, I cried, I wished I had written it myself. You completely nailed it. I adore this critique of the whole situation; you said it better than I could have.</p>
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		<title>By: AFP Fix: controversy, theater, and conjoined twins &#171; Pussy Goes Grrr</title>
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		<dc:creator>AFP Fix: controversy, theater, and conjoined twins &#171; Pussy Goes Grrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;AMANDA PALMER WANTS TO SHOCK YOU&#8230;&#8221; by Sady of Tiger Beatdown (Feb 17). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;AMANDA PALMER WANTS TO SHOCK YOU&#8230;&#8221; by Sady of Tiger Beatdown (Feb 17). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Amanda Palmer mentioned this whole debacle on Australian TV last night...Oh dear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Amanda Palmer mentioned this whole debacle on Australian TV last night&#8230;Oh dear.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird fact: there was a book I read a few years ago called &quot;Love Will Tear Us Apart.&quot; About conjoined twin singers (basically the Hilton twins as Britney Spears), no less. Interesting coincidence, if it is one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird fact: there was a book I read a few years ago called &#8220;Love Will Tear Us Apart.&#8221; About conjoined twin singers (basically the Hilton twins as Britney Spears), no less. Interesting coincidence, if it is one.</p>
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		<title>By: Masha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Masha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT.
Ugh, this and the Katy Perry thing have just rolled together into this big ball of &quot;hell no&quot;.
It kind of hurts, because I love so much of her work. It&#039;s helped me through so much shit. And then it turns out she&#039;s... like this. I just watched the Katy perry thing a few minutes ago (though I&#039;ve heard about it previously) and dear Amanda, I appreciate your intent -- as a bi woman, Prop 8 and Katy Perry&#039;s songs piss me right the fuck off, but I am also a sexual assault and rape survivor, and a physical abuse survivor (and the latter was by a woman) and all this does is make me angry at you and at the world in general. What were you thinking?
It seems like everyone I admire eventually turns into an asshole. As someone above has said.
And despite this crap, much of her art remains great. I guess it&#039;s a question of whether you can stand it -- so many great writers, artists and musicians have been assholes, or abusers of some kind or another, and everyone who knows has varying stances on it between &quot;I&#039;ll never read/view/listen to their work again,&quot; and &quot;Well, it doesn&#039;t matter.&quot; I guess I understand both (the last one as coming from denial).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT.<br />
Ugh, this and the Katy Perry thing have just rolled together into this big ball of &#8220;hell no&#8221;.<br />
It kind of hurts, because I love so much of her work. It&#8217;s helped me through so much shit. And then it turns out she&#8217;s&#8230; like this. I just watched the Katy perry thing a few minutes ago (though I&#8217;ve heard about it previously) and dear Amanda, I appreciate your intent &#8212; as a bi woman, Prop 8 and Katy Perry&#8217;s songs piss me right the fuck off, but I am also a sexual assault and rape survivor, and a physical abuse survivor (and the latter was by a woman) and all this does is make me angry at you and at the world in general. What were you thinking?<br />
It seems like everyone I admire eventually turns into an asshole. As someone above has said.<br />
And despite this crap, much of her art remains great. I guess it&#8217;s a question of whether you can stand it &#8212; so many great writers, artists and musicians have been assholes, or abusers of some kind or another, and everyone who knows has varying stances on it between &#8220;I&#8217;ll never read/view/listen to their work again,&#8221; and &#8220;Well, it doesn&#8217;t matter.&#8221; I guess I understand both (the last one as coming from denial).</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me old-fashioned, but she lost me at the lack of capitalization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me old-fashioned, but she lost me at the lack of capitalization.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda &#8220;Ableist&#8221; Palmer? The Evelyn Evelyn Controversy &#124; NJN Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda &#8220;Ableist&#8221; Palmer? The Evelyn Evelyn Controversy &#124; NJN Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] everyone of all sorts of (sometimes nasty) things, some even saying that Amanda Palmer would shit on a couch just to be edgy, but some interesting discussion took place in the midst of the shitstorm. Palmer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: broken hearted &#171; gender, rants, and sodomy.</title>
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		<dc:creator>broken hearted &#171; gender, rants, and sodomy.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog covered the issue very well, and although the author clearly has some issues with AFP herself that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CassieC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CassieC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post, Sady, and to Annaham and Lauredhel for your writing.

I have a generic issue with the comments that say &quot;I never liked her, and now I know why, thanks!&quot; I don&#039;t think that this sentiment is ever really appropriate: either you don&#039;t like someone for a reason, or you try to understand where your feelings come from. This is exactly the line of argument racists and others use when their prejudices are confirmed by some anecdote. It is also used by mean girls everywhere and reminded me of this post: http://tigerbeatdown.com/?p=731#more-731 . 

The other is that just because Amanda Palmer is doing something objectionable doesn&#039;t mean her art sucks 100% or that we should all go burn her CDs and so on. I am personally a fan not only of AFP, but a whole bunch of artists (B. Dylan and L. Cohen have been mentioned here recently) whose politics and behavior are sometimes pretty hard to stomach. I struggle with that, but in the mean time, I&#039;m not going to hold Amanda Palmer to a higher standard because she&#039;s a woman and possibly a feminist and I want her to know better. I&#039;m going to keep admiring what I admire and criticizing the rest - but not more or less than with male artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post, Sady, and to Annaham and Lauredhel for your writing.</p>
<p>I have a generic issue with the comments that say &#8220;I never liked her, and now I know why, thanks!&#8221; I don&#8217;t think that this sentiment is ever really appropriate: either you don&#8217;t like someone for a reason, or you try to understand where your feelings come from. This is exactly the line of argument racists and others use when their prejudices are confirmed by some anecdote. It is also used by mean girls everywhere and reminded me of this post: <a href="http://tigerbeatdown.com/?p=731#more-731" rel="nofollow">http://tigerbeatdown.com/?p=731#more-731</a> . </p>
<p>The other is that just because Amanda Palmer is doing something objectionable doesn&#8217;t mean her art sucks 100% or that we should all go burn her CDs and so on. I am personally a fan not only of AFP, but a whole bunch of artists (B. Dylan and L. Cohen have been mentioned here recently) whose politics and behavior are sometimes pretty hard to stomach. I struggle with that, but in the mean time, I&#8217;m not going to hold Amanda Palmer to a higher standard because she&#8217;s a woman and possibly a feminist and I want her to know better. I&#8217;m going to keep admiring what I admire and criticizing the rest &#8211; but not more or less than with male artists.</p>
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