Comments on: 13 Ways of Looking at Liz Lemon

By: Comic Dialogue: Modes of Reading

Comic Dialogue: Modes of Reading — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:26:50 +0000

[...] something that only boys did, and eventually, only geeky boys did. I was already destined for a Liz Lemon future at that point, wearing thick glasses, having a pixie haircut that struck the little girls in my age [...]

By: old-timey femmes ftw « by Erin Ptah

old-timey femmes ftw « by Erin Ptah — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:41:54 +0000

[...] gets up to. « The kids are all right old-timey femmes ftw June 24, 2010 Thirteen Ways of Looking at Liz Lemon. This isn’t a blanket endorsement of everything the essay says, but as a 30 Rock fan who [...]

By: Leah

Leah — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:27:13 +0000

I wrote about this in 2004, but it wasn’t eloquent and I don’t know feminist theory… I just knew the way she was acting on Conan rubbed me the wrong way.

Standing ovation to this post. I put a link to my post above.

By: Feminism, Activism and Criticism: Boobquake, Redux « Hysteria!

Feminism, Activism and Criticism: Boobquake, Redux « Hysteria! — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:51:06 +0000

[...] to vote), that’s all that matters, no matter whose subordination it’s built on. That might be Liz Lemonist, but it’s definitely not [...]

By: The Tina Fey backlash | FlipTrends-Following the Hottest Google Trends

The Tina Fey backlash | FlipTrends-Following the Hottest Google Trends — Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:00:25 +0000

[...] Rachel Dratch as Jenna Maroney and then had to replace her with buxom blond Jane Krakowski. Tiger Beatdown’s Sady Doyle wrote an astute critique that went beyond Fey’s aesthetic double-consciousness to the heart [...]

By: What Matters Today Blog Report : Leslie Knope, Liz Lemon, and the Feminist Lessons of NBC’s ‘Parks and Recreation’

Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:07:44 +0000

[...] feminism can be problematic. At least, that’s what TigerBeatdown blogger Sady Doyle argues in a fantastic post published last month. She outlines 13 different ways of thinking about Lemon, but here are some of the [...]

By: Michelle

Michelle — Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:48:05 +0000

“she can’t have a conversation with you about Michelle Tea, Sugar High Glitter City, Kathy Acker, or Carolee Schneeman, but she can tell you that as a feminist she has a right to be Concerned About Porn; she’s Brooklyn not Queens, brunch not breakfast, flirty not slutty, fond of cupcakes and feminist theory but unsure how to make either one herself, and thoroughly incensed about Vajazzling.”

Here via Rebecca Traister on Salon. I had not heard of this backlash against Tina Fey until I read that article, which I think demolished your argument entirely.

However, this paragraph really bugs me and I just want to address it. It reeks of intellectual snobbery. With the exception of Michelle Tea, I could not talk to you about any of those people, but I don’t think that makes me less of a “good” feminist or makes me into this hated concept of a Liz Lemonist.

Tumblr not Blogspot? What the hell are you talking about? I mean, is this where we’ve stooped to in our search for things to critique about other women? I am glad Rebecca Traister dug out the quote from the premiere of “30 Rock” in which Tina Fey had Jack as sharing this exact criticism with Liz Lemon. I should also note that Tina Fey was echoing a much earlier line by Woody Allen in “Annie Hall.” So congratulations on reducing women to cultural stereotypes in exactly the same way as a creepy misogynist way back in 1977. Plus ça change…

And not to nitpick, but Brooklyn not Queens? This statement is the icing on the cupcake I apparently don’t know how to make. Brooklyn has 2.5 million residents, less than half of whom are white and a quarter of whom live below the poverty line. It is, along with Queens, one of the most ethnically diverse places in the United States, with a massive population of immigrants from all over the world. What the hell does Brooklyn not Queens even mean?

By: Losing my patience with doctrinaire feminism (they’re all wrong about Tina Fey) « Geek Magnet

Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:21:25 +0000

[...] starters, there’s been some Tina Fey bashing. This isn’t new– some feminist bloggers have been complaining about Fey for a while. One (Melissa McEwan) even railed Tina Fey for not [...]

By: dc

dc — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:25:40 +0000

Just to honest: I’ve never watched a 30Rock episode all the way through.

Nonetheless, I found your article frigging brilliant, and funny.

I’m coming back for more.

By: David

David — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:00:47 +0000

#11– Seems like Fey made Lemon’s character with this in mind. She wants people to like the protagonist!

But that’s the obvious flaw; she’s a babe, and her dorky quirks are charming. WTF!
Doesn’t add up!