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	<title>Comments on: VISIONS OF MANLINESS PRESENTS: Pilgrim&#8217;s (Lack of) Progress: The De-Gaying of Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World</title>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/04/06/visions-of-manliness-presents-pilgrims-lack-of-progress-the-de-gaying-of-scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-17219</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the *international* trailer is now out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjt4vhSqtFQ&amp;feature=player_embedded

In fairness,  it does have a full minute more to show clips, but I notice that his gay roomie has magically reappeared, PoCs get speaking time, and Ramona is shown correcting the &#039;evil exes&#039; bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the *international* trailer is now out: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjt4vhSqtFQ&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjt4vhSqtFQ&#038;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
<p>In fairness,  it does have a full minute more to show clips, but I notice that his gay roomie has magically reappeared, PoCs get speaking time, and Ramona is shown correcting the &#8216;evil exes&#8217; bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/04/06/visions-of-manliness-presents-pilgrims-lack-of-progress-the-de-gaying-of-scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-10151</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread reminds me of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.racebending.com/v3/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;race bending&quot;&lt;/a&gt; (aka whitewashing) discussions surrounding the movie version of Avatar: The last Airbender that&#039;s about to come out.  It&#039;s tough to say that there was explicit racism, but the decision to cast white actors did not happen in a vacuum and discussing the cultural assumptions that led to it is important.  Blaming M. Night Shyamalan is besides the point because no one person is responsible for creating the environment in which white, heterosexual, cis-gendered people are the assumed &quot;average.&quot;  Maybe he really did cast the best characters for the part, and maybe the Scott Pilgrim trailer makes more sense this way (I believe the 2nd more than the first), but it&#039;s important to have the discussion and challenge bad decisions made in the name of marketing.  Do we know if in this exact case we can say this happened, can we ever say that?  No, but we can agree it happens.  And that a winking nod towards gay consumers places their importance below those who would like to ignore their existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread reminds me of the <a href="http://www.racebending.com/v3/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;race bending&#8221;</a> (aka whitewashing) discussions surrounding the movie version of Avatar: The last Airbender that&#8217;s about to come out.  It&#8217;s tough to say that there was explicit racism, but the decision to cast white actors did not happen in a vacuum and discussing the cultural assumptions that led to it is important.  Blaming M. Night Shyamalan is besides the point because no one person is responsible for creating the environment in which white, heterosexual, cis-gendered people are the assumed &#8220;average.&#8221;  Maybe he really did cast the best characters for the part, and maybe the Scott Pilgrim trailer makes more sense this way (I believe the 2nd more than the first), but it&#8217;s important to have the discussion and challenge bad decisions made in the name of marketing.  Do we know if in this exact case we can say this happened, can we ever say that?  No, but we can agree it happens.  And that a winking nod towards gay consumers places their importance below those who would like to ignore their existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 02:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half the time in the trailer there, they call them &quot;evil exes&quot; instead of &quot;evil ex-boyfriends&quot;.  It seems like only people being introduced to the concept use the gendered version.  And, the ex-girlfriend is clearly in there a few times.

Seems like no foul to me.  Perhaps a bit of &quot;oh, haha, that&#039;s what you meant?&quot;, but that&#039;s in the movie itself and they&#039;re not trying to hide it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half the time in the trailer there, they call them &#8220;evil exes&#8221; instead of &#8220;evil ex-boyfriends&#8221;.  It seems like only people being introduced to the concept use the gendered version.  And, the ex-girlfriend is clearly in there a few times.</p>
<p>Seems like no foul to me.  Perhaps a bit of &#8220;oh, haha, that&#8217;s what you meant?&#8221;, but that&#8217;s in the movie itself and they&#8217;re not trying to hide it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debbie : It IS actually set in Toronto, no kidding.  Toronto landmarks are Important and Featured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debbie : It IS actually set in Toronto, no kidding.  Toronto landmarks are Important and Featured.</p>
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		<title>By: Raemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addenda: probably also worth noting that I agree with Attack_Laurel that in shows/movies that do feature gay characters, we could use more equality in what gay vs straight characters get to do onscreen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addenda: probably also worth noting that I agree with Attack_Laurel that in shows/movies that do feature gay characters, we could use more equality in what gay vs straight characters get to do onscreen.</p>
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		<title>By: Raemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Welcome to the blog, friend. We do posts about Liz Lemon here. For the record: If I do a post or publish a post about something, that means that in the comment section, we consider it a Subject Worthy of Discussion.

@Sady: I didn&#039;t mean to imply it wasn&#039;t worth talking about, period, but that I&#039;d think the course of talking about it should more likely produce a &quot;huh, yeah, look at that&quot; rather than a &quot;OMG Serious Problem™!&quot; I very much enjoy the Liz Lemon posts, both the sections of them that veer towards seriousness and the sections that veer towards sheer silliness. 

I do think it is bad that gay people don&#039;t get good exposure in both advertisements and in the movies/shows/games that those advertisements advertise. It certainly warrants a Serious Problem™ blog post (not that you need my approval or anything :P). But I do not think Scott Pilgrim is the best flagship trailer for that particular type of blogpost.

If we&#039;re looking for ways to change Hollywood that maximize the power of the Gay (i.e. Basic Fairness for people in general) Agenda, I think it&#039;s better to get more traditional advertisements (the kind that show happy families drinking Coke or whatever) that just happen to show happy families with gay people in the. For movies/shows that feature positively-presented-but-not-central-to-the-plot gay people, it seems to me that warning homophobes about them in advance is counterproductive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Welcome to the blog, friend. We do posts about Liz Lemon here. For the record: If I do a post or publish a post about something, that means that in the comment section, we consider it a Subject Worthy of Discussion.</p>
<p>@Sady: I didn&#8217;t mean to imply it wasn&#8217;t worth talking about, period, but that I&#8217;d think the course of talking about it should more likely produce a &#8220;huh, yeah, look at that&#8221; rather than a &#8220;OMG Serious Problem™!&#8221; I very much enjoy the Liz Lemon posts, both the sections of them that veer towards seriousness and the sections that veer towards sheer silliness. </p>
<p>I do think it is bad that gay people don&#8217;t get good exposure in both advertisements and in the movies/shows/games that those advertisements advertise. It certainly warrants a Serious Problem™ blog post (not that you need my approval or anything <img src='http://tigerbeatdown.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ). But I do not think Scott Pilgrim is the best flagship trailer for that particular type of blogpost.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re looking for ways to change Hollywood that maximize the power of the Gay (i.e. Basic Fairness for people in general) Agenda, I think it&#8217;s better to get more traditional advertisements (the kind that show happy families drinking Coke or whatever) that just happen to show happy families with gay people in the. For movies/shows that feature positively-presented-but-not-central-to-the-plot gay people, it seems to me that warning homophobes about them in advance is counterproductive.</p>
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		<title>By: GarlandGrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>GarlandGrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lauren I call NOT IT for being the one to make that cape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lauren I call NOT IT for being the one to make that cape.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 06:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would mean that she has a *drumrole please* SUPER VAGINA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would mean that she has a *drumrole please* SUPER VAGINA!</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone notice that if, indeed, all of her &quot;exes&quot; have super powers, then she is the source? It seems a funny possibility that she meets this guy, sleeps with him, and then he gains super powers as well! OMG! a woman that is super hot, sleeps with you, and then you gain super powers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone notice that if, indeed, all of her &#8220;exes&#8221; have super powers, then she is the source? It seems a funny possibility that she meets this guy, sleeps with him, and then he gains super powers as well! OMG! a woman that is super hot, sleeps with you, and then you gain super powers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Margaret - I think it was because it came out during a big break-up for me, and I was so extremely pumped to see a lesbian rom-com in the theater.  I didn&#039;t really buy the Jessica actress as a lesbian, or even as bi, and yet... I guess I just really, really wanted to believe that there was a happy ending for gays out there.  And then rug! Yanked! Ow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Margaret &#8211; I think it was because it came out during a big break-up for me, and I was so extremely pumped to see a lesbian rom-com in the theater.  I didn&#8217;t really buy the Jessica actress as a lesbian, or even as bi, and yet&#8230; I guess I just really, really wanted to believe that there was a happy ending for gays out there.  And then rug! Yanked! Ow!</p>
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