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		<title>By: Esme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought this would happen, but you&#039;ve caused me to start buying pop music. Beyonce probably owes you a few dollars now.</description>
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		<title>By: polarcontrol</title>
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		<dc:creator>polarcontrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 13:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do I do it for man’s approval, as you suggest is the endgoal of performing femininity? Of course not! No girls I know do. &lt;/i&gt;

C&#039;mon Cass! 
This actually reminds me of myself, having internalised this girly position and trying to make it all &quot;I like it!! really!&quot; and that&#039;s all. 
I think I did that for a long time cos it&#039;s fucking depressing to think of the reality of the whole thing.
Well, irrespective of your feelings, that&#039;s not all there is to it. (I mean think of the history of the feminine aesthetic, and where it&#039;s all coming from today and the beauty/fashion/etc business) And read again Silvana&#039;s post.

I, too, &quot;like&quot; performing femininity, I would say genuinely, even. But still, I see where it&#039;s all coming from and realise that much of my liking femininity is because society, on many levels, rewards me for doing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do I do it for man’s approval, as you suggest is the endgoal of performing femininity? Of course not! No girls I know do. </i></p>
<p>C&#8217;mon Cass!<br />
This actually reminds me of myself, having internalised this girly position and trying to make it all &#8220;I like it!! really!&#8221; and that&#8217;s all.<br />
I think I did that for a long time cos it&#8217;s fucking depressing to think of the reality of the whole thing.<br />
Well, irrespective of your feelings, that&#8217;s not all there is to it. (I mean think of the history of the feminine aesthetic, and where it&#8217;s all coming from today and the beauty/fashion/etc business) And read again Silvana&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>I, too, &#8220;like&#8221; performing femininity, I would say genuinely, even. But still, I see where it&#8217;s all coming from and realise that much of my liking femininity is because society, on many levels, rewards me for doing it!</p>
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		<title>By: buttermellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>buttermellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 02:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, agree that this article is thought provoking and spot on in many observations. 

However, I would also write some words of caution. Absolutely by no means do I deny that many women (and men, let&#039;s not forget) perform a role they consider to be desired by society/men/women, etc. I myself struggle with depression stemming from never feeling &quot;enough&quot;--pretty enough, thin enough, talented enough, kind enough, considerate enough, the list goes on. Often I strive to portray an image of myself to the world perfectly tailored to fit society&#039;s mold. Of course, I will never achieve this, as I am 5&#039;2&quot;, 170 pounds. Even now typing, I automatically began to justify the reasons for my weight (uncontrollable health reasons, back problems, etc), which simply further proves how deeply I&#039;ve embodied the prejudices of society. 

That being said, though, I am a very self-aware person, and I know the difference between attributes that are me and those which I have imposed upon myself. The perfect woman in my society is the perfect mother, perfect cook, perfect dresser, wears perfectly applied makeup, perfect student, and loves sex (but of course not too much). Well I love children, I love cooking, I enjoy dressing well, I like experimenting with different ways of decorating my face, I love my studies and learning, and I certainly love having sex with my boyfriend. From the outsider who doesn&#039;t know me and hasn&#039;t talked to me, it would look like I was putting on a performance in assuming these traits. But that&#039;s not true. I do these things because they are *me*, and I wouldn&#039;t be me if I didn&#039;t. 

Too often people who do actually enjoy aspects of what we call &quot;femininity&quot; are criticized for bowing down to men and merely performing for the outside world. But mothers who don&#039;t want to miss their babies&#039; childhoods are very different than mothers who are forced to stay home by society&#039;s strictures. Sex workers who work only for the money (for school, perhaps) are very different from those who see no problem with it and view it as another job, who in turn are very different from those who feel liberated from their community&#039;s taboos on expressing sexuality, who in turn are different from those who are convinced that this is the only way that they will become a more perfect person.

Basically what I&#039;m trying (successfully?) to say is that while generalizations do help in pointing out the iniquities of our society, it is a vast, vast fallacy to assume that merely because a group of people act in the same way that they necessarily have the same reasons for doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, agree that this article is thought provoking and spot on in many observations. </p>
<p>However, I would also write some words of caution. Absolutely by no means do I deny that many women (and men, let&#8217;s not forget) perform a role they consider to be desired by society/men/women, etc. I myself struggle with depression stemming from never feeling &#8220;enough&#8221;&#8211;pretty enough, thin enough, talented enough, kind enough, considerate enough, the list goes on. Often I strive to portray an image of myself to the world perfectly tailored to fit society&#8217;s mold. Of course, I will never achieve this, as I am 5&#8217;2&#8243;, 170 pounds. Even now typing, I automatically began to justify the reasons for my weight (uncontrollable health reasons, back problems, etc), which simply further proves how deeply I&#8217;ve embodied the prejudices of society. </p>
<p>That being said, though, I am a very self-aware person, and I know the difference between attributes that are me and those which I have imposed upon myself. The perfect woman in my society is the perfect mother, perfect cook, perfect dresser, wears perfectly applied makeup, perfect student, and loves sex (but of course not too much). Well I love children, I love cooking, I enjoy dressing well, I like experimenting with different ways of decorating my face, I love my studies and learning, and I certainly love having sex with my boyfriend. From the outsider who doesn&#8217;t know me and hasn&#8217;t talked to me, it would look like I was putting on a performance in assuming these traits. But that&#8217;s not true. I do these things because they are *me*, and I wouldn&#8217;t be me if I didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Too often people who do actually enjoy aspects of what we call &#8220;femininity&#8221; are criticized for bowing down to men and merely performing for the outside world. But mothers who don&#8217;t want to miss their babies&#8217; childhoods are very different than mothers who are forced to stay home by society&#8217;s strictures. Sex workers who work only for the money (for school, perhaps) are very different from those who see no problem with it and view it as another job, who in turn are very different from those who feel liberated from their community&#8217;s taboos on expressing sexuality, who in turn are different from those who are convinced that this is the only way that they will become a more perfect person.</p>
<p>Basically what I&#8217;m trying (successfully?) to say is that while generalizations do help in pointing out the iniquities of our society, it is a vast, vast fallacy to assume that merely because a group of people act in the same way that they necessarily have the same reasons for doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: roesmoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>roesmoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 04:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, performing femininity is extremely degrading - see Twisty:

http://bit.ly/aWQcE0

and 

http://bit.ly/cyr4pi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, performing femininity is extremely degrading &#8211; see Twisty:</p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/aWQcE0" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aWQcE0</a></p>
<p>and </p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/cyr4pi" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cyr4pi</a></p>
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		<title>By: That Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>That Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 02:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is amazing, and well-written and so clear that I shared it with my brother who is starting to understand. Your eloquence and wit literally makes my life easier.
   I would totally enroll at the Institute for Beyonce-related Cultural Studies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is amazing, and well-written and so clear that I shared it with my brother who is starting to understand. Your eloquence and wit literally makes my life easier.<br />
   I would totally enroll at the Institute for Beyonce-related Cultural Studies</p>
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		<title>By: Cass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 14:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of interesting points in this piece, but you make so many assumptions here about the performance of gender and the reasons for it.  I, for one, LOVE the performance and rituals that go into producing femininity.  I like painting my nails, shopping for dresses and makeup, doing my hair.  I certainly don&#039;t find it humiliating, disturbing, etc, and i feel pretty insulted that someone would feel those things FOR me.  Do I do it for man&#039;s approval, as you suggest is the endgoal of performing femininity?  Of course not!  No girls I know do.  

(And what is the alternative to performance via fashion/appearance?  Should we all choose the least &#039;man-pleasing&#039; outfits? Ride the first wave far, far from our high heels?)     

And as for that stripper, you paid 10 bucks for a performance.  Trust me, she&#039;s in on the joke.  She&#039;s not there to win husbands with her &#039;primping,&#039; she&#039;s there to make money, and she&#039;s going to make a lot of it at $10/song.  What she makes in three minutes I make in an HOUR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of interesting points in this piece, but you make so many assumptions here about the performance of gender and the reasons for it.  I, for one, LOVE the performance and rituals that go into producing femininity.  I like painting my nails, shopping for dresses and makeup, doing my hair.  I certainly don&#8217;t find it humiliating, disturbing, etc, and i feel pretty insulted that someone would feel those things FOR me.  Do I do it for man&#8217;s approval, as you suggest is the endgoal of performing femininity?  Of course not!  No girls I know do.  </p>
<p>(And what is the alternative to performance via fashion/appearance?  Should we all choose the least &#8216;man-pleasing&#8217; outfits? Ride the first wave far, far from our high heels?)     </p>
<p>And as for that stripper, you paid 10 bucks for a performance.  Trust me, she&#8217;s in on the joke.  She&#8217;s not there to win husbands with her &#8216;primping,&#8217; she&#8217;s there to make money, and she&#8217;s going to make a lot of it at $10/song.  What she makes in three minutes I make in an HOUR.</p>
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		<title>By: Message: I Care</title>
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		<dc:creator>Message: I Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 18:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when you&#8217;re trapped, because of the body and the circumstances you were born in, into playing a losing game, the sight of someone who refuses to play that game is either enraging or inspiring. And if the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when you&#8217;re trapped, because of the body and the circumstances you were born in, into playing a losing game, the sight of someone who refuses to play that game is either enraging or inspiring. And if the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 10:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bakemaster: We don&#039;t do that here. Assuming authority over sex workers&#039; experiences, and saying that you can say &quot;what it means&quot; better than they can, if you are not a sex worker&lt;em&gt;, ist Verboten&lt;/em&gt; on Ye Olde Tiger Beatdowne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bakemaster: We don&#8217;t do that here. Assuming authority over sex workers&#8217; experiences, and saying that you can say &#8220;what it means&#8221; better than they can, if you are not a sex worker<em>, ist Verboten</em> on Ye Olde Tiger Beatdowne.</p>
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		<title>By: Bakemaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bakemaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a compelling article, Silvana. Re: femininity as a construct, you might find Margaret Mead&#039;s &quot;Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies&quot; interesting.

JEN said, &quot;I am concerned about the extra step of projecting humiliation on a person who may (or may not; we don’t know) feel empowered by her performance.&quot;

And if she feels empowered, what then? The dancer&#039;s feeling should be respected, certainly. But what if you feel that her profession is inherently coercive? It may not be enough that the sex worker *feel* good about sex work, if the profession is inherently coercive and harmful to its participants. I can&#039;t claim to know that this is the case, but it&#039;s this line of thought that keeps me generally uncertain how I feel about sex work. Circumstances definitely vary widely - and some are definitely coercive. Are they all? If not, which ones? Pretty sticky question. I don&#039;t have the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a compelling article, Silvana. Re: femininity as a construct, you might find Margaret Mead&#8217;s &#8220;Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies&#8221; interesting.</p>
<p>JEN said, &#8220;I am concerned about the extra step of projecting humiliation on a person who may (or may not; we don’t know) feel empowered by her performance.&#8221;</p>
<p>And if she feels empowered, what then? The dancer&#8217;s feeling should be respected, certainly. But what if you feel that her profession is inherently coercive? It may not be enough that the sex worker *feel* good about sex work, if the profession is inherently coercive and harmful to its participants. I can&#8217;t claim to know that this is the case, but it&#8217;s this line of thought that keeps me generally uncertain how I feel about sex work. Circumstances definitely vary widely &#8211; and some are definitely coercive. Are they all? If not, which ones? Pretty sticky question. I don&#8217;t have the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendra C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendra C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 01:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I 34th the sentiment that this is an outstanding post!  So many perfectly phrased thoughts; I&#039;ll definitely read it again and again.  
And: the stripper. I&#039;d love to see a post/discussion about this in particular. I agree with Anodyne Lite that your telling of the strip club story removes agency from the stripper, and elides the super-complex reality of sex work. I&#039;ve gone to strip clubs, many times, and enjoyed the watching the dancers mightily.  What I didn&#039;t enjoy was some of the men who were also enjoying watching the dancers.  Not all of the men, but some of them really really disturbed me.  Perhaps part of what&#039;s upsetting is that strip clubs are seen as females performing strictly for males.  In some locations, though, like Mary&#039;s and the Acropolis (both in Portland OR), the crowd is mixed and the attitude is different.  
More talk about sex work and feminism, please!  And awesome post, Silvana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I 34th the sentiment that this is an outstanding post!  So many perfectly phrased thoughts; I&#8217;ll definitely read it again and again.<br />
And: the stripper. I&#8217;d love to see a post/discussion about this in particular. I agree with Anodyne Lite that your telling of the strip club story removes agency from the stripper, and elides the super-complex reality of sex work. I&#8217;ve gone to strip clubs, many times, and enjoyed the watching the dancers mightily.  What I didn&#8217;t enjoy was some of the men who were also enjoying watching the dancers.  Not all of the men, but some of them really really disturbed me.  Perhaps part of what&#8217;s upsetting is that strip clubs are seen as females performing strictly for males.  In some locations, though, like Mary&#8217;s and the Acropolis (both in Portland OR), the crowd is mixed and the attitude is different.<br />
More talk about sex work and feminism, please!  And awesome post, Silvana.</p>
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