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	<title>Comments on: The Girl With The Lots of Creepy Disturbing Torture That Pissed Me Off: On Stieg Larsson</title>
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		<title>By: Conor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading this article and all the responses has restored my faith in people, as I&#039;ve been horrified at all the praise these books have had.  I gave up after 25 pages as the writing was so dead, but was persuaded to try again.  This time I was incredulous at how bad it was: cliched, crudely visualised, unrealistic and  phoney. I hope this is the last sex-and-Nazis novel I&#039;ll ever be expected to read.  I do worry about the people around us who think these books are good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this article and all the responses has restored my faith in people, as I&#8217;ve been horrified at all the praise these books have had.  I gave up after 25 pages as the writing was so dead, but was persuaded to try again.  This time I was incredulous at how bad it was: cliched, crudely visualised, unrealistic and  phoney. I hope this is the last sex-and-Nazis novel I&#8217;ll ever be expected to read.  I do worry about the people around us who think these books are good.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that I found so upsetting about the series as a whole (I just read them over the last few weeks - I wouldn&#039;t normally have done that, but I was in Italy, and the English bookstores were few and far between, and they didn&#039;t stock much.) was that all these statistics are brought up about women experiencing violence and sexual trafficking and then...(SPOILER ALERT) the third book is about secret agents?  In the government?  Who are protecting a spy?  So...the women are totally STILL being assaulted and sold into sexual slavery, and everyone is sort of okay with that, as long as this mysterious cabal that conspired against Lisbeth is taken care of.  My GOD, that was frustrating.

And the rapes in the first book were so unnecessarily graphic that I had an uncomfortable feeling that Larson was getting off on writing them.  And then, of course, gets praised as a feminist for doing so.  Just because you&#039;re ashamed of your torture fetish doesn&#039;t make it okay, Stieg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that I found so upsetting about the series as a whole (I just read them over the last few weeks &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t normally have done that, but I was in Italy, and the English bookstores were few and far between, and they didn&#8217;t stock much.) was that all these statistics are brought up about women experiencing violence and sexual trafficking and then&#8230;(SPOILER ALERT) the third book is about secret agents?  In the government?  Who are protecting a spy?  So&#8230;the women are totally STILL being assaulted and sold into sexual slavery, and everyone is sort of okay with that, as long as this mysterious cabal that conspired against Lisbeth is taken care of.  My GOD, that was frustrating.</p>
<p>And the rapes in the first book were so unnecessarily graphic that I had an uncomfortable feeling that Larson was getting off on writing them.  And then, of course, gets praised as a feminist for doing so.  Just because you&#8217;re ashamed of your torture fetish doesn&#8217;t make it okay, Stieg.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m joining this very late, but I generally agree with the blog here.  The first book made me very uncomfortable. I distinctly got the feeling that I was supposed to be enjoying the super brutal violence, more often directed against women, but also some of it that was directed against men.  But, I went ahead and read the second two books (I&#039;m using air travel as my excuse) and found them a lot less voyeuristic.  Particularly the third one, which frequently referenced a rape from the first book, but otherwise didn&#039;t have any sexual violence and no incidences of torture.  (It was a long book, and I might have forgotten something.)  It makes me curious about the books, the author, his partner and the rumors that she contributed significantly to the books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m joining this very late, but I generally agree with the blog here.  The first book made me very uncomfortable. I distinctly got the feeling that I was supposed to be enjoying the super brutal violence, more often directed against women, but also some of it that was directed against men.  But, I went ahead and read the second two books (I&#8217;m using air travel as my excuse) and found them a lot less voyeuristic.  Particularly the third one, which frequently referenced a rape from the first book, but otherwise didn&#8217;t have any sexual violence and no incidences of torture.  (It was a long book, and I might have forgotten something.)  It makes me curious about the books, the author, his partner and the rumors that she contributed significantly to the books.</p>
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		<title>By: Regina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sady, what I didn&#039;t &quot;get&quot; was the dismissive tone of the piece. I understand being pissed off by the rape and torture scenes. I understand saying that. I think it requires a huge logical leap to think/imply that the entire project is disingenuous. There&#039;s a question of intention -- did Stieg Larsson know exactly what he was doing, i.e., condemning rape and torture in order to...write extended rape and torture scenes? Was he that much of an asshole? etc. or Did he think that he was examining an issue (sorry, I&#039;m dropping the derisive scare quotes there) but failed because he ultimately, subconsciously gets off on torture and rape? 

As @Miya Rogers says above, there are huge problems with these books. I understand the sentiment behind &quot;[p]ackaging that nastiness up as feminist is icing on an ugly cake.&quot; But &quot;packaging&quot; suggests far more insidious author intent than I think we can reasonably assume from the text. And part of this piece *is* titled &quot;On Stieg Larsson,&quot; so his motivation is being called into question. Which is fine! Except I have trouble reaching the same implicit conclusion TR did: that this is torture porn attempting to masquerade as feminism. My take is that it is a bumbling, thoroughly imperfect attempt to write about violence against women that is too enamored with how that violence plays out. 

I didn&#039;t intend to write a &quot;mini essay.&quot; People write long comments here. I assumed that was okay.

I agree with literally every other point you made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sady, what I didn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; was the dismissive tone of the piece. I understand being pissed off by the rape and torture scenes. I understand saying that. I think it requires a huge logical leap to think/imply that the entire project is disingenuous. There&#8217;s a question of intention &#8212; did Stieg Larsson know exactly what he was doing, i.e., condemning rape and torture in order to&#8230;write extended rape and torture scenes? Was he that much of an asshole? etc. or Did he think that he was examining an issue (sorry, I&#8217;m dropping the derisive scare quotes there) but failed because he ultimately, subconsciously gets off on torture and rape? </p>
<p>As @Miya Rogers says above, there are huge problems with these books. I understand the sentiment behind &#8220;[p]ackaging that nastiness up as feminist is icing on an ugly cake.&#8221; But &#8220;packaging&#8221; suggests far more insidious author intent than I think we can reasonably assume from the text. And part of this piece *is* titled &#8220;On Stieg Larsson,&#8221; so his motivation is being called into question. Which is fine! Except I have trouble reaching the same implicit conclusion TR did: that this is torture porn attempting to masquerade as feminism. My take is that it is a bumbling, thoroughly imperfect attempt to write about violence against women that is too enamored with how that violence plays out. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t intend to write a &#8220;mini essay.&#8221; People write long comments here. I assumed that was okay.</p>
<p>I agree with literally every other point you made.</p>
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		<title>By: Miya Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miya Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read the first two books, and I found them to be fascinating, although I found huge problems with both of them. The first wrapped up its plot, then went on for a hundred pages in a direction that doesn&#039;t really get relevant until the next book. The second spends 100 pages really getting into Salander&#039;s mind, then abandons her as a mere plot convenience. Larsson is not a feminist writer, he is a writer influenced by his culture. His characters are products of their culture. The fact that these characters exist and make the choices they do is, I think, Larsson&#039;s comment on the sexuality, violence against women, and the public&#039;s ambivalence about the whole process. I don&#039;t think he was trying to &quot;fix&quot; anything, just show what happens when people who are flawed interact with each other and their society. It&#039;s not pretty, but I don&#039;t think the author was looking to tell a tale that was easy to read. Salander&#039;s inconsistencies drive us crazy, because we want female characters who REPRESENT. They are smart, beautiful, functional, love themselves, and never let men&#039;s attention or mistreatment change their focus. They ignore the seductive pull of the media, and the destructive comments of others. But that person doesn&#039;t exist, and I like Lizbeth for all her inconsistencies. She seems like a real person to me, not some feminist superheroine wearing a stylish leather cape, with boots to match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read the first two books, and I found them to be fascinating, although I found huge problems with both of them. The first wrapped up its plot, then went on for a hundred pages in a direction that doesn&#8217;t really get relevant until the next book. The second spends 100 pages really getting into Salander&#8217;s mind, then abandons her as a mere plot convenience. Larsson is not a feminist writer, he is a writer influenced by his culture. His characters are products of their culture. The fact that these characters exist and make the choices they do is, I think, Larsson&#8217;s comment on the sexuality, violence against women, and the public&#8217;s ambivalence about the whole process. I don&#8217;t think he was trying to &#8220;fix&#8221; anything, just show what happens when people who are flawed interact with each other and their society. It&#8217;s not pretty, but I don&#8217;t think the author was looking to tell a tale that was easy to read. Salander&#8217;s inconsistencies drive us crazy, because we want female characters who REPRESENT. They are smart, beautiful, functional, love themselves, and never let men&#8217;s attention or mistreatment change their focus. They ignore the seductive pull of the media, and the destructive comments of others. But that person doesn&#8217;t exist, and I like Lizbeth for all her inconsistencies. She seems like a real person to me, not some feminist superheroine wearing a stylish leather cape, with boots to match.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also -- just because this is one of my number one pet issues -- I HATE the way all television police shows have been ruined by this crap.  I love police procedurals, but since the late 1990s it&#039;s always Soulful and Righteous Investigations of raped! tortured!  incested!  underage!  naked!  naked! naked! girls!

so effing disgusting and hypocritical I just want to scream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also &#8212; just because this is one of my number one pet issues &#8212; I HATE the way all television police shows have been ruined by this crap.  I love police procedurals, but since the late 1990s it&#8217;s always Soulful and Righteous Investigations of raped! tortured!  incested!  underage!  naked!  naked! naked! girls!</p>
<p>so effing disgusting and hypocritical I just want to scream.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad is clueless about feminism, but I just loved  his reaction to these books: he was saying they&#039;d been recommended by a friend, and he read the first but didn&#039;t like it enough to read another, but he wasn&#039;t sure why (sort of like, &quot;I can&#039;t put my finger on it, and I know everyone likes these novels&quot;), and I said -- &quot;yeah, I think it&#039;s that they proclaims being against violence against women in order to wallow in it at great length&quot;.  And he said, in this totally lightbulb way, &quot;yeah!  Have other people said that, too?&quot;

Which I thought was pretty heartening, like, you don&#039;t even *have* to have your consciousness raised about feminist issues to get a yucky feeling from these books, or realize at some level there is something disingenuous going on with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad is clueless about feminism, but I just loved  his reaction to these books: he was saying they&#8217;d been recommended by a friend, and he read the first but didn&#8217;t like it enough to read another, but he wasn&#8217;t sure why (sort of like, &#8220;I can&#8217;t put my finger on it, and I know everyone likes these novels&#8221;), and I said &#8212; &#8220;yeah, I think it&#8217;s that they proclaims being against violence against women in order to wallow in it at great length&#8221;.  And he said, in this totally lightbulb way, &#8220;yeah!  Have other people said that, too?&#8221;</p>
<p>Which I thought was pretty heartening, like, you don&#8217;t even *have* to have your consciousness raised about feminist issues to get a yucky feeling from these books, or realize at some level there is something disingenuous going on with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 09:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rejectionist!  Thanks for your perspective.  I enjoyed reading your take on “Dragon Tattoo.”  I have to say, though, that I disagree with your assertion that “the book. . . seems to be saying that the only violence against women that counts is the kind that ends up with us dead.”  I took a different message away from the books, something more along the lines of what @Regina suggests.  In fact, I felt that the rape scene, while graphic, did serve an important purpose, and I didn’t find it exploitive in the same way that so many of the commentators here seem to have.   Larsson’s tone wasn’t sensationalistic, and didn’t make the rape seem “titillating” in any way.  Rather, it forced the reader to bear witness to something horrible.  And that’s what makes it terribly disturbing and uncomfortable.  It’s meant to be, and rightly so.  The point is that rape is a monstrous thing, and it is something that is hard to imagine unless you have experienced it.  It may be especially difficult to imagine for male readers, most of who don’t experience the reality of worrying about it on a day-to-day basis the way women do.  

What makes Salander’s rape even more disturbing is that a broken social system is ultimately responsible for putting her into the circumstance that leads to it.  The rape is not just sexual violence; it is also violence of a different, societal nature.  Because of her past, Salander is classified by society as incompetent and mentally unfit, but as the story unfolds, it becomes clear that society is wrong about her, so what else might it be wrong about?  

Salander survives and fights back, partly by helping Blomkvist solve the Vanger mystery, and another character in the book (Major spoiler alert here) who also endures rape, Harriet Vanger, also survives.  In fact, she does more than just survive.  She gets herself out of a terrible situation and creates a new life for herself.  I agree with you that “The violence women negotiate every day of our lives doesn’t look like having our hands burned off over a slow fire. It looks like being assaulted by people we know; being denied access to legal medical procedures; being paid less for equal work; all the hundreds of little garden-variety inequalities that add up to a great big pile of shit.”  And here’s the thing:  both Salander and Harriet were assaulted by people that they knew and should have been able to trust.  That was the heart of the story, not the serial-killer subplot which was, I agree, far-fetched. 

Like some of the other commentators, I think Larsson’s message is ultimately made clear in books two and three, which delve into Salander’s background and the ways she has been systematically victimized by the very society that should be trying to protect its members.  There is a subplot involving Berger in book three that also addresses misogyny in the workplace, which also involves “assault by people we know.”  Part of the book addresses domestic violence against women.  There is a female cop who is unfairly treated differently by some of her male colleagues because she is a woman, but Larsson makes it clear that she’s a better cop than those colleagues.  And there is also commentary on how some men feel threatened by female sexuality and how the mass media is complicit in perpetuating and sensationalizing unfair stereotypes about women.  

Ultimately, Larsson’s argument seems to me to be that the violence against women that counts is all of it, and not just the kind that “ends up with us dead.”  The violence that counts is the misogyny that lingers in the social system and is all too often ignored.  There is more that I could add, but this is already an essay in and of itself.  If you’ve read this far, thanks for taking the time to consider my perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rejectionist!  Thanks for your perspective.  I enjoyed reading your take on “Dragon Tattoo.”  I have to say, though, that I disagree with your assertion that “the book. . . seems to be saying that the only violence against women that counts is the kind that ends up with us dead.”  I took a different message away from the books, something more along the lines of what @Regina suggests.  In fact, I felt that the rape scene, while graphic, did serve an important purpose, and I didn’t find it exploitive in the same way that so many of the commentators here seem to have.   Larsson’s tone wasn’t sensationalistic, and didn’t make the rape seem “titillating” in any way.  Rather, it forced the reader to bear witness to something horrible.  And that’s what makes it terribly disturbing and uncomfortable.  It’s meant to be, and rightly so.  The point is that rape is a monstrous thing, and it is something that is hard to imagine unless you have experienced it.  It may be especially difficult to imagine for male readers, most of who don’t experience the reality of worrying about it on a day-to-day basis the way women do.  </p>
<p>What makes Salander’s rape even more disturbing is that a broken social system is ultimately responsible for putting her into the circumstance that leads to it.  The rape is not just sexual violence; it is also violence of a different, societal nature.  Because of her past, Salander is classified by society as incompetent and mentally unfit, but as the story unfolds, it becomes clear that society is wrong about her, so what else might it be wrong about?  </p>
<p>Salander survives and fights back, partly by helping Blomkvist solve the Vanger mystery, and another character in the book (Major spoiler alert here) who also endures rape, Harriet Vanger, also survives.  In fact, she does more than just survive.  She gets herself out of a terrible situation and creates a new life for herself.  I agree with you that “The violence women negotiate every day of our lives doesn’t look like having our hands burned off over a slow fire. It looks like being assaulted by people we know; being denied access to legal medical procedures; being paid less for equal work; all the hundreds of little garden-variety inequalities that add up to a great big pile of shit.”  And here’s the thing:  both Salander and Harriet were assaulted by people that they knew and should have been able to trust.  That was the heart of the story, not the serial-killer subplot which was, I agree, far-fetched. </p>
<p>Like some of the other commentators, I think Larsson’s message is ultimately made clear in books two and three, which delve into Salander’s background and the ways she has been systematically victimized by the very society that should be trying to protect its members.  There is a subplot involving Berger in book three that also addresses misogyny in the workplace, which also involves “assault by people we know.”  Part of the book addresses domestic violence against women.  There is a female cop who is unfairly treated differently by some of her male colleagues because she is a woman, but Larsson makes it clear that she’s a better cop than those colleagues.  And there is also commentary on how some men feel threatened by female sexuality and how the mass media is complicit in perpetuating and sensationalizing unfair stereotypes about women.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, Larsson’s argument seems to me to be that the violence against women that counts is all of it, and not just the kind that “ends up with us dead.”  The violence that counts is the misogyny that lingers in the social system and is all too often ignored.  There is more that I could add, but this is already an essay in and of itself.  If you’ve read this far, thanks for taking the time to consider my perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then there&#039;s this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20012770-10391698.html

Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there&#8217;s this:</p>
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<p>Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: the rejectionist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the rejectionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sady! That about sums it up.

I would just like to point out as well that everything in quotation marks in the piece is, you know, a quotation from the book. You can certainly argue that Stieg Larsson accomplishes his feminist project with this book; I will wholeheartedly disagree with you, but that&#039;s an opinion, and we can debate it. 

You cannot, however, argue that Lisbeth isn&#039;t normatively attractive or that Blomkvist isn&#039;t normatively attractive; those things are in the text, repeatedly, as observations made by both the third-person omniscient narrator and other characters. As is Stieg Larsson&#039;s comment that normal women go to the police when raped: again, in the text, repeatedly, and an observation made by the third-person omniscient narrator. 

Finally, I find it completely horrifying that people are arguing here that men need to read graphic, extensive, and extremely sexualized depictions of the torture of women in order to realize that misogyny happens. I like to hold the bar a little higher for the cisdudes in my life, and they all seem to manage it just fine. 

I&#039;m not going to read the next two books to see if I &quot;get it&quot;; I&#039;m a busy lady. I&#039;d rather just read books that are good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sady! That about sums it up.</p>
<p>I would just like to point out as well that everything in quotation marks in the piece is, you know, a quotation from the book. You can certainly argue that Stieg Larsson accomplishes his feminist project with this book; I will wholeheartedly disagree with you, but that&#8217;s an opinion, and we can debate it. </p>
<p>You cannot, however, argue that Lisbeth isn&#8217;t normatively attractive or that Blomkvist isn&#8217;t normatively attractive; those things are in the text, repeatedly, as observations made by both the third-person omniscient narrator and other characters. As is Stieg Larsson&#8217;s comment that normal women go to the police when raped: again, in the text, repeatedly, and an observation made by the third-person omniscient narrator. </p>
<p>Finally, I find it completely horrifying that people are arguing here that men need to read graphic, extensive, and extremely sexualized depictions of the torture of women in order to realize that misogyny happens. I like to hold the bar a little higher for the cisdudes in my life, and they all seem to manage it just fine. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to read the next two books to see if I &#8220;get it&#8221;; I&#8217;m a busy lady. I&#8217;d rather just read books that are good.</p>
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